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		<title>By: cj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am returning to college this fall to study GIS. This has been the most helpful site I have come across to get a sense of what I need to study to actually get a job and what programs I may be working with. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am returning to college this fall to study GIS. This has been the most helpful site I have come across to get a sense of what I need to study to actually get a job and what programs I may be working with. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: GIS Tech</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>GIS Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Indeed, GPS data pro­cess­ing and remote sens­ing are required. I assumed that data entry and pro­cess­ing, as well as GIS Analysis would encom­pass them&lt;/i&gt;

In regards to remote sensing...
You would be hard pressed to find many universities who teach the  remote sensing. Not to mention, 0 community colleges. Though photogrammetry is a doable thing to pick up, the remote sensing skills that I find people hiring for (i.e. usually some sort of classification procedure using ERDAS, Definiens, or ENVI) are not easy to learn in many colleges. The software is simply too expensive for general student labs to afford. Definiens licenses can run 7500-10,000....ENVI isn&#039;t much better (4,000-6,000). Even with educational discounts (I know one person who got a single use license for Definiens for 2,000) that&#039;s pretty expensive stuff there. 

Though I believe ESRI has done an admirable job integrating their products into community colleges and even the K-12 system. They&#039;ve put in the legwork to make their product user-friendly (not something I can say for all software packages) and relatively affordable. 

Ultimately, unless you had the good fortune to attend a university with a lot of money and prestige, you are not going to learn RS just anywhere.

Another thing I wanted to mention....as a young GIS/RS tech, I&#039;m troubled by the attitudes of some of the employers I meet today. I&#039;ve been interviewed at firms who are new to GIS (primarily in the solar and wind industry). Some of these firms had a laundry list as long as yours, and were requesting that work be cranked out for a pretty low fee (if there was a fee). There were also an abnormally large amount of requests for me to start work as an &#039;trial intern&#039; and/or design them a highly functional WebGIS in the matter of weeks. 

I&#039;d blame this attitude on the economy, but I have other evidence to that begs note. Recently, I  have lost count of how many grad school acquaintances and non-profits have requested me to perform some GIS/RS task at the drop of a hat (for free). Though I&#039;m happy to help these friends, it is a little disconcerting that they believe GIS works &#039;something like google maps&#039; and you can just type addresses in and get whatever information that you want with a twinkle of your eye. The time it takes to accurately geocode their site data, and find/create the shapefiles files that provide the information they want....well, they think it should be done in the matter of minutes (not hours/days).  

It seems that news of the usefulness and many-applications of GIS has reached these industries...however, they don&#039;t seem to have a clue how to best utilize this technology. They also have a rather flippant attitude about salary and how long (and costly) it is to develop these particular skill sets. I feel kindof tired being paid 1/2 of what your average IT tech is making (though I have a master&#039;s and a very similar skill set). 

Much like our problem with farmers today (which is an aging, highly-litigious, and impoverished profession, with the average farmer being over 55 and approaching 60, and the proportion of principal farm operators younger than 35 dropping from 15.9 percent in 1982 to 5.8 percent in 2002) if we don&#039;t make the profession worthwhile to young employees, they aren&#039;t going to study it in college, and they are not going to enter the field. Something needs to be done to somehow impress upon our new markets that GIS is an expansive technology, and it&#039;s students are not mere &quot;google maps junkies&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Indeed, GPS data pro­cess­ing and remote sens­ing are required. I assumed that data entry and pro­cess­ing, as well as GIS Analysis would encom­pass them</i></p>
<p>In regards to remote sensing&#8230;<br />
You would be hard pressed to find many universities who teach the  remote sensing. Not to mention, 0 community colleges. Though photogrammetry is a doable thing to pick up, the remote sensing skills that I find people hiring for (i.e. usually some sort of classification procedure using ERDAS, Definiens, or ENVI) are not easy to learn in many colleges. The software is simply too expensive for general student labs to afford. Definiens licenses can run 7500-10,000&#8230;.ENVI isn&#8217;t much better (4,000-6,000). Even with educational discounts (I know one person who got a single use license for Definiens for 2,000) that&#8217;s pretty expensive stuff there. </p>
<p>Though I believe ESRI has done an admirable job integrating their products into community colleges and even the K-12 system. They&#8217;ve put in the legwork to make their product user-friendly (not something I can say for all software packages) and relatively affordable. </p>
<p>Ultimately, unless you had the good fortune to attend a university with a lot of money and prestige, you are not going to learn RS just anywhere.</p>
<p>Another thing I wanted to mention&#8230;.as a young GIS/RS tech, I&#8217;m troubled by the attitudes of some of the employers I meet today. I&#8217;ve been interviewed at firms who are new to GIS (primarily in the solar and wind industry). Some of these firms had a laundry list as long as yours, and were requesting that work be cranked out for a pretty low fee (if there was a fee). There were also an abnormally large amount of requests for me to start work as an &#8216;trial intern&#8217; and/or design them a highly functional WebGIS in the matter of weeks. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d blame this attitude on the economy, but I have other evidence to that begs note. Recently, I  have lost count of how many grad school acquaintances and non-profits have requested me to perform some GIS/RS task at the drop of a hat (for free). Though I&#8217;m happy to help these friends, it is a little disconcerting that they believe GIS works &#8217;something like google maps&#8217; and you can just type addresses in and get whatever information that you want with a twinkle of your eye. The time it takes to accurately geocode their site data, and find/create the shapefiles files that provide the information they want&#8230;.well, they think it should be done in the matter of minutes (not hours/days).  </p>
<p>It seems that news of the usefulness and many-applications of GIS has reached these industries&#8230;however, they don&#8217;t seem to have a clue how to best utilize this technology. They also have a rather flippant attitude about salary and how long (and costly) it is to develop these particular skill sets. I feel kindof tired being paid 1/2 of what your average IT tech is making (though I have a master&#8217;s and a very similar skill set). </p>
<p>Much like our problem with farmers today (which is an aging, highly-litigious, and impoverished profession, with the average farmer being over 55 and approaching 60, and the proportion of principal farm operators younger than 35 dropping from 15.9 percent in 1982 to 5.8 percent in 2002) if we don&#8217;t make the profession worthwhile to young employees, they aren&#8217;t going to study it in college, and they are not going to enter the field. Something needs to be done to somehow impress upon our new markets that GIS is an expansive technology, and it&#8217;s students are not mere &#8220;google maps junkies&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Great article, One quick Question though.

What is the best programming language to learn, for someone (like me) who doesnt know how to program and is one thing missing for my CV?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Great article, One quick Question though.</p>
<p>What is the best programming language to learn, for someone (like me) who doesnt know how to program and is one thing missing for my CV?</p>
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		<title>By: Essential GIS Skillset at GeoChris</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>Essential GIS Skillset at GeoChris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Go read: The essential skills to succeed in a GIS career [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Go read: The essential skills to succeed in a GIS career [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George Neag</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>George Neag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, excellent point of view !!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Skiles</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Skiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an effective assessment on what we need to know and practice to succeed.  Nice job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an effective assessment on what we need to know and practice to succeed.  Nice job.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Bunch</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Bunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and comments!!</description>
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		<title>By: Michalis Avraam</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Michalis Avraam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patti,

It is true that the ethics of GIS seems to be lacking in most requirements by GIS professionals. I do not think this is an attempt to characterize critical GIS as not important in the domain. It is rather an understanding that learning about cartography and GIS will already have that aspect embedded. Every training course on the technology should indeed be informed about the ethical implications of this work, but that is not easy to incorporate in a skills for the job kind of article or a job announcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patti,</p>
<p>It is true that the ethics of GIS seems to be lacking in most requirements by GIS professionals. I do not think this is an attempt to characterize critical GIS as not important in the domain. It is rather an understanding that learning about cartography and GIS will already have that aspect embedded. Every training course on the technology should indeed be informed about the ethical implications of this work, but that is not easy to incorporate in a skills for the job kind of article or a job announcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Syarat-syarat sukses berkaris di bidang GIS &#124; sharkofagus</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Syarat-syarat sukses berkaris di bidang GIS &#124; sharkofagus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sebagai benchmark tentang persyaratan untuk sukses berkarir di bidang GIS. Apa sajakah? Berdasarkan tulisan ini, terdapat lima skill pokok yang perlu dipunyai oleh seorang praktisi GIS agar bisa berkarir secara [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sebagai benchmark tentang persyaratan untuk sukses berkarir di bidang GIS. Apa sajakah? Berdasarkan tulisan ini, terdapat lima skill pokok yang perlu dipunyai oleh seorang praktisi GIS agar bisa berkarir secara [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patti</title>
		<link>http://michalisavraam.org/2009/11/the-essential-skills-to-succeed-in-a-gis-career/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Patti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was disappointed there was no mention of ethics in the article.  This issue is receiving more and more attention the field of critical GIS.  It is very easy to lie with maps, as any well trained cartographer can attest to.  The working GIS professional and especially students need to be aware of the issues they may encounter in this line of work and how to deal with them from a moral stand-point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was disappointed there was no mention of ethics in the article.  This issue is receiving more and more attention the field of critical GIS.  It is very easy to lie with maps, as any well trained cartographer can attest to.  The working GIS professional and especially students need to be aware of the issues they may encounter in this line of work and how to deal with them from a moral stand-point.</p>
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